. >> kimberly: in all time in a presidential debate. vu have to say -- you have to say that is disconcerting for obama. >> dana: eric in here. i don't think we had time to make a graph. we have the paperwork. the pew poll came out and romney ahead by four points. he went up four points in less than two-and-a-half weeks. pretty good. >> eric: you know what this is? you talk about the talking point that came out before the sunday shows. theatrical performance. day after debate it was liar, liar, liar. this is a sign of desperation. the campaign is in panic mode because they're seeing the polls move. no matter what they do, they spent $200 million on necktive attack ads on romney and this is what they're getting? a landslide away from obama. they're panicked. i'm not sure what the next one is. liar, liar, liar. who knows what? no one else -- >> dana: i said this morning they'd start calling him ugly. >> greg: never do that. i have a point. we keep calling this a jump. it wasn't a jump. snake river canyon. obama stunk up that place like a b